This question is part of the readers guide for The End of Men. Please feel free to ad your answers, comments or more questions in the conversation below.

  • Debrajoe

    As a Marxist I find gender questions uninteresting. So we are switching from a patriarchy to a matriarchy, but economic oppression is still the order we live under. One always hopes the once oppressed learn but they never seem to. Let’s hope people one day free themselves of gender and class.

  • Paul

    If we’re talking about the current age of information, then yes. As a man I see women performing better with their natural skills of multitasking and networking, all with less ego attached. Men perform better when the economy is better.

  • Steve in Esocndido

    Two things. The most important is the war on men that has been conducted for the past 40 years. There is no war on women – it is on men. At first it was about equality but as always it becomes about power and money. Men need to either take Garrison Keeler’s advice (the book of Guys) and let women sustain and build on all that men have built and go camping – or start speaking up instead of remining so affable. That’s what women did. The second reason women are taking it all over is that job tasks today fit well with natural proclivities of women like the ability to multi-task.

  • Master D.

    IT true that women have more advantages in the economy than men, the reason is simple men has more war on them than the women, take for example when there is a vacancy at a jobs site the possibility of women getting the job is 95% while men is 75%. and also Democracy states and gender equality contribute mostly, even in school these day when there is a scholarship the ratio of boys to girls is one (1) to four (4).

  • Gina

    no. i dont know how it is in us, but i live in Dubai and they both are equal. but if you take some countries for example Saudi don’t give any freedom and keep them confined in their houses only. even in India women are scared to go out on their own or in the night because they are scared they will get raped. the rape statistics of India is 23000, america 85,000 but these are only the reported ones. women are confined to the kitchen in some parts of Pakistan so how can there be a rise of women? feminism is not even known by many in Asia these movements are only there in the modernized countries. as a feminist i talk to my friends about all these things and they don’t even care. (p.s im 14).

  • roller203

    no, its not a question of men or women. may be its a question of communication skills and this is a difficult lesson for women AND men together. now you were in berlin. lets read the book obschernitzki “der frau ihre arbeit!”. same questions we had also 100 years ago.

  • Luripompa

    Not sure my reply is related to the economy per se, but there is an easy general answer. Women get more breaks than men. If women get access to all channels and niches that men used to inhabit more or less exclusively, like during the last 40-50 years, that only means they can play both ends of the spectrum. They can both play vulnerable and competitive and switch between the two modes according to whatever gives the greatest benefits at the moment. Men can never afford to look vulnerable, as this would only translate into disrespect from other men and – a lot more important – no relative in group status and mating opportunities among women.

    So essentially, men are confined to a narrow set of roles, and if you cut away on this small piece of land to stand on, sure, men are going to start falling off the cliff.

    Rosin has also mentioned Sweden as a possible solution to the male gender role problem. No less, she is deluded about this. Sure enough, (ethnically) Swedish men have to a large extent taken to an effeminate role just in order to survive socially. Sometimes this can be a strategy that pays off in terms of creating and managing family life.

    However, the prescription is not without its side effects. Increasingly during the last 20-30 years or so, young men – often the product of raving feminist upbringings themselves – are turning into mental eunuchs and/or just lose interest in the game, as it becomes increasingly less worthwhile to play. The end result is a world full of reasonably successful women, but without any men left worthwhile enough to choose from.

    Sweden today has one of the lowest demographic replacement rates in the world if you count the ethnic Swedish population. It’s only pushed up to higher levels due to massive immigration from the Mid East and Africa, leading to resource competition, huge financial and human costs, push out effects and a severe strain on the social fabric, not to mention a culture of institutional mendacity, collective silence and democratic totalitarianism to counteract a seething resentment with the direction things are going.

    It’s not a solution. It’s a dead end. I ought to know, I have to live here and cope with a reality of virulent walking on eggshells every day of my life.

    • Christine

      “One of the great crime stories of the last twenty years,
      meanwhile, is the dramatic decline of rape and sexual assault. Between 1993 and 2008, the rate of those crimes against females declined by 70 percent” (pg 19) and “The most dramatic declines occurred in acquaintance rape. Those changes particularly are directly related to women’s recent economic success” (Rosin, p 19).

      True. There has been a “decline of rape and sexual assault,”
      according to what is being measured. Dozens and dozens of research based work will tell you why that is so.

      – The Victorian Law Reform Commission states that rape has the lowest reporting rate of any crime (VLRC, 2004)

      – The British Crimes Survey found that approximately 15% of rapes were reported to police, with 40% of victims never disclosing the crime to anyone

      – This happens because of “fear of being disbelieved; fear of retribution by the offender or others connected to the offender; feelings of shame; embarrassment; living in an isolated environment; fear of being blamed; lack of confidence or
      trust in the legal system; and lack of confidence or trust in police (Taylor and Gassner, pg 241).

      – Amnesty International recently reported that a third of UK respondents in their study believed that a woman is partially if not fully responsible for being raped (pg 242).

      – The FBI’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR) definition of rape does not even cover any form of sexually coercive rape and completely discounts males raping males. Most rape happens with someone that is known to the victim. “ If we consider mutually desired and consensual sexual intercourse at one end of the spectrum,
      and forcible rape of the other, there is a wide ranger of sexual interactions falling between these two extremes” ( Broach, Petretic, p1) Sexual coercion is completely bypassed and rape becomes polarized, leaving only women o f“legitimate rape,” as victims and discounting so many others.

      – “The Baltimore Sun reported that, since 1992, the number of Baltimore rape cases reported to the FBI has declined by 80% and, since 1991, the percentage of unfounded rape cases has tripled. From 2003 to 2010, police wrote reports for only 4 in 10 rape calls, signifying that patrol officers were rejecting cases
      prior to investigation (Women’s Law Project Transcript, 2010)

      – The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reported that many St. Louis rape complaints were written up in informal memos, not counted in crime statistics, and then filed away for 1-2 years before being shredded, often before the statute of limitations had run out. The city’s official rape tally declined during the 20 year period that the “memo” system was in place (Women’s Law Project
      Transcript, 2010).

      “The individual and accumulated weight of the aforementioned barriers ad negative public perceptions of sexual assault contribute to an under-reporting that is currently being referred to as
      the ‘hidden’ prevalence of sexual assault (Neam and Heenan 2003).”

      I just got my hands into research, going back to school, and plan on getting certified at my local women’s shelter to be of service on their crisis line. I went back to your book as a reference
      for a paper and was shocked to read what you had written.

      I hope you would consider all the research that is available out there before affirming the above claim. I enjoyed your book, especially about how adaptable women are. Our high social
      intelligence will take us far. Citing statistics on the decline of rape is a delusion. Sexual assault and rape is a massive epidemic right now and it will not be ignored.

  • jocelym46

    I think this book is premature on this issue. Women are a long way from equality in our society. It is the same idea that because we have a Black President we are now a post-racial society. Women are still being paid less for the same work, suffering domestic violence and rape.

  • M1979

    I think it’s hard to take this author seriously about anything after reading some of what she’s written.

  • http://learningtheory.homestead.com/Theory.html mayfieldga

    Of course, but it is not due as much to school as it is from society beliefs regarding treatment of boys and girls beginning from infancy through adulthood. The problem is more complex than school curriculum or boy chemistry. We need to stop looking at where boys are in life, character, and behavior and begin looking at how boys are treated from infancy very differently from us as girls. We need to see how the more aggressive treatment they are given from infancy by parents, teachers, peers is creating more learning problems and less than correct behavior or care for authority and school.
    To understand this, “we must redefine our average stress as many layers of mental work we carry with us that take away real mental energy leaving less mental energy to think, learn, concentrate, and enjoy the learning process. This differential treatment creates very real differences in learning by individual and by group. This understanding shows just how our individual environments and “differential treatment” greatly affects thinking, learning, motivation, and mental health. By seeing average stress more correctly as many layers of unresolved mental work, needs, etc. we can then see how different persons are more deprived of mental energy, knowledge, and skills necessary to learn and compete as well. This goes contrary to our present views of average stress (wrong- only occurs from some immediate problems). It also goes against our present views more fixed intelligences, both of which are blinding us as to how differential treatment by group (gender) is slowly creating two very different camps going in very different directions in society. I fear this will lead to a major major gender conflict and violence in the future.

    The problem involves two entirely different treatments of Males and Females as early as one year of age and increases in differential treatment. This is creating the growing Male Crisis. The belief Males should be strong allows aggressive treatment of Males as early as one year, designed to create more layers of agitation, fear, and tension, so they will be prepared to fight, defend, and be tough. This is coupled with much “less” kind, stable, (very little verbal interaction) and less mental/emotional/social support, knowledge, and skills for fear of coddling. This increases over time and continued by society from peers, teachers and others in society. This creates more social/emotional distance from parents and other authority figures who have knowledge; lags in communication, lower social vocabulary, poor sentence structure; also higher average stress: more layers of mental agitated conflicts and fears taking away real mental energy that hurt learning and motivation to learn; also more activity due to need for stress relief; also more social/emotional distance from adults/teachers, defensiveness and wariness of others further hindering emotional and social growth; and higher muscle tension (creating more pressure on pencil and tighter grip) that hurts writing and motivation to write. It creates much lag in development creating a learned sense of helplessness in school. This differential treatment continues through adulthood, almost fixing many Males onto roads of failure and escape into more short-term areas of enjoyment. Also society gives Males love and honor (essential needs for self-worth) only on condition of some achievement or status. This was designed to keep Male esteem and feelings of self-worth low to keep them striving and even give their lives in time of war for small measures of love and honor. Males not achieving in school or other are given more ridicule and discipline to make them try harder. Support is not an option for fear of coddling. Many Males thus falling behind in academics then turn their attention toward video games and sports to receive small measures of love/honor not received in the classroom. The belief boys should be strong and the false belief in genetics that denies any connection with differential treatment and lower academics, lower esteem, and other problems over-rides all good sense when it comes to raising boys today.
    As for reading, we need high social vocabulary, social experience with sentence structure, and “lower average stress to perform the abstract skill of reading: decoding, visualizing, organizing, reaching back into our social vocabulary to learn new words in print, and enjoying the process. Boys are deprived in these areas due to much less care, interaction, and more aggressive treatment in general.
    I feel the shows of masculinity, misbehavior are pretty much copouts to both show separation from failure in school and to gleam small measures of love and honor from peers. The defensiveness from authority is really pretty straight forward, especially in lower socioeconomic areas where strength, power, and status hold very real currency in those areas. So for those students it not just misbehavior but for them, a tug of war or fight for minimum feelings of self-worth from a continual fight they feel outside the classroom as well as in.
    The suicide epidemic is the result of Males being deprived sufficiently from those essential feelings of self-worth of less love and honor simply for being boys or men. The training they are given from an early age is preventing many of them from competing in the information age and thus losing the means to secure legally, income, status, power to earn in some way love and honor from society. This creates over time, psychological suffering that wears down their remaining feelings of self-worth to the point of suicide.
    As girls, we are treated much better and so enjoy more hope and care from society. Since we as girls by differential treatment are given much more positive, continual, mental, emotional/social support verbal interaction and care from an early age onward this creates quite the opposite outcome for girls compared with boys. We enjoy much more continuous care and support from infancy through adulthood and receive love and honor simply for being girls. This creates all of the good things: lower average stress for more ease of learning. We do enjoy much freedom of expression from much protection that makes us look less stable at times; we enjoy lower muscle tension for better handwriting/motivation; higher social vocabulary; lower average stress for reading/motivation; much more positive, trust/communication with adults, teachers, peers; and much more support for perceived weaknesses. We are reaping a bonanza in the information age. The lower the socioeconomic bracket and time in that bracket the more amplified the differential treatment from a young age and increased and more differentiated over time. Now with girls and women taking over many areas of society, we are enjoying even more lavishing of love and honor, while boys and men still treated to be tough are failing more and are being given even more ridicule and abuse by society and yes, also by girls and women. My learning theory and article on the Male Crisis will go to all on request or can be read from my home site at http://learningtheory.homestead.com/Theory.html

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